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Re: pshai's "Swing Hawk" strategy

Postby stephan » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:34 am

This is a long shot... but sinds you are aware of the Ask and Bid prices there is only one thing which remains and which has a big impact... the fee costs per trade. Did you included this into your calculations as well and did you added it twice for buying and for selling?

Its hard for me to really estimate what the difference could be, but we got this export functionality inside the trade log. Maybe its a option to run a test, do a export and analyse the data to find the differences? I am not sure is this a option of course.
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Re: pshai's "Swing Hawk" strategy

Postby pshai » Mon Apr 03, 2017 1:55 pm

stephan wrote:This is a long shot... but sinds you are aware of the Ask and Bid prices there is only one thing which remains and which has a big impact... the fee costs per trade. Did you included this into your calculations as well and did you added it twice for buying and for selling?

I'm testing with close price only in my platform as in HTS also. I have also included fees, but I use 0.15% as that is for the limit order (started running a test with 0.25% now...)

The way I calculate the returns goes as follows:
  • Buy trade occurs:
    • TotalBuys += TradeBaseAmount
    • TotalFees += TradeFees
  • Sell trade occurs:
    • TotalSells += TradeBaseAmount
    • TotalFees += TradeFees
  • Final returns:
    • GrossReturns = TotalSells - TotalBuys
    • NetReturns = GrossReturns - TotalFees

stephan wrote:Its hard for me to really estimate what the difference could be, but we got this export functionality inside the trade log. Maybe its a option to run a test, do a export and analyse the data to find the differences? I am not sure is this a option of course.

I guess I should do that.


~pshai

P.S.
Ran the second test of my previous post with 0.25% fees:

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Winners (66/67):
   BTC_BBR: 4,92 % (325 trades, 95,68 % wins, 4,32 % loses)
   BTC_BELA: 4,75 % (363 trades, 94,48 % wins, 5,52 % loses)
   BTC_BITS: 6,05 % (253 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_BLK: 2,61 % (284 trades, 98,59 % wins, 1,41 % loses)
   BTC_BTCD: 4,60 % (238 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_BTM: 5,99 % (312 trades, 97,44 % wins, 2,56 % loses)
   BTC_C2: 6,80 % (282 trades, 97,87 % wins, 2,13 % loses)
   BTC_CLAM: 3,87 % (360 trades, 91,67 % wins, 8,33 % loses)
   BTC_CURE: 2,76 % (241 trades, 97,50 % wins, 2,50 % loses)
   BTC_DASH: 4,08 % (291 trades, 96,55 % wins, 3,45 % loses)
   BTC_EMC2: 5,86 % (303 trades, 98,68 % wins, 1,32 % loses)
   BTC_FLO: 3,30 % (286 trades, 98,60 % wins, 1,40 % loses)
   BTC_GAME: 3,10 % (297 trades, 97,30 % wins, 2,70 % loses)
   BTC_GRC: 4,48 % (256 trades, 96,88 % wins, 3,13 % loses)
   BTC_HUC: 5,20 % (277 trades, 97,10 % wins, 2,90 % loses)
   BTC_LTC: 1,92 % (294 trades, 93,88 % wins, 6,12 % loses)
   BTC_MAID: 2,40 % (341 trades, 97,65 % wins, 2,35 % loses)
   BTC_OMNI: 5,96 % (205 trades, 97,06 % wins, 2,94 % loses)
   BTC_NAUT: 4,63 % (297 trades, 95,27 % wins, 4,73 % loses)
   BTC_NAV: 5,75 % (281 trades, 97,14 % wins, 2,86 % loses)
   BTC_NEOS: 4,57 % (283 trades, 94,33 % wins, 5,67 % loses)
   BTC_NMC: 5,94 % (319 trades, 97,48 % wins, 2,52 % loses)
   BTC_NOTE: 6,38 % (311 trades, 97,42 % wins, 2,58 % loses)
   BTC_NXT: 2,77 % (272 trades, 98,53 % wins, 1,47 % loses)
   BTC_POT: 3,30 % (295 trades, 97,28 % wins, 2,72 % loses)
   BTC_PPC: 3,80 % (305 trades, 97,37 % wins, 2,63 % loses)
   BTC_QTL: 3,47 % (268 trades, 99,25 % wins, 0,75 % loses)
   BTC_RBY: 1,61 % (217 trades, 91,67 % wins, 8,33 % loses)
   BTC_RIC: 3,63 % (319 trades, 96,23 % wins, 3,77 % loses)
   BTC_SDC: 6,31 % (306 trades, 96,73 % wins, 3,27 % loses)
   BTC_SJCX: 3,76 % (297 trades, 98,65 % wins, 1,35 % loses)
   BTC_STR: 2,77 % (327 trades, 98,16 % wins, 1,84 % loses)
   BTC_SYS: 3,53 % (295 trades, 97,28 % wins, 2,72 % loses)
   BTC_UNITY: 4,15 % (176 trades, 96,59 % wins, 3,41 % loses)
   BTC_VIA: 5,14 % (243 trades, 99,17 % wins, 0,83 % loses)
   BTC_XVC: 4,84 % (274 trades, 96,35 % wins, 3,65 % loses)
   BTC_VRC: 3,38 % (247 trades, 97,56 % wins, 2,44 % loses)
   BTC_VTC: 3,91 % (280 trades, 96,43 % wins, 3,57 % loses)
   BTC_XBC: 26,74 % (202 trades, 97,03 % wins, 2,97 % loses)
   BTC_XCP: 3,34 % (299 trades, 98,66 % wins, 1,34 % loses)
   BTC_XEM: 3,06 % (273 trades, 97,79 % wins, 2,21 % loses)
   BTC_XMG: 4,04 % (228 trades, 96,49 % wins, 3,51 % loses)
   BTC_XMR: 2,78 % (295 trades, 97,28 % wins, 2,72 % loses)
   BTC_XPM: 4,18 % (282 trades, 96,45 % wins, 3,55 % loses)
   BTC_XRP: 2,48 % (269 trades, 98,51 % wins, 1,49 % loses)
   BTC_IOC: 2,58 % (241 trades, 98,33 % wins, 1,67 % loses)
   BTC_ETH: 2,45 % (253 trades, 99,21 % wins, 0,79 % loses)
   BTC_BCY: 4,03 % (239 trades, 99,16 % wins, 0,84 % loses)
   BTC_EXP: 4,20 % (272 trades, 97,79 % wins, 2,21 % loses)
   BTC_FCT: 3,37 % (327 trades, 98,16 % wins, 1,84 % loses)
   BTC_RADS: 5,40 % (267 trades, 96,24 % wins, 3,76 % loses)
   BTC_AMP: 4,34 % (307 trades, 96,73 % wins, 3,27 % loses)
   BTC_VOX: 5,36 % (292 trades, 97,26 % wins, 2,74 % loses)
   BTC_DCR: 6,69 % (284 trades, 97,18 % wins, 2,82 % loses)
   BTC_LSK: 5,07 % (275 trades, 97,81 % wins, 2,19 % loses)
   BTC_LBC: 4,96 % (302 trades, 94,04 % wins, 5,96 % loses)
   BTC_STEEM: 5,33 % (331 trades, 96,36 % wins, 3,64 % loses)
   BTC_SBD: 7,28 % (303 trades, 97,35 % wins, 2,65 % loses)
   BTC_ETC: 2,16 % (301 trades, 99,33 % wins, 0,67 % loses)
   BTC_REP: 3,11 % (309 trades, 94,16 % wins, 5,84 % loses)
   BTC_ARDR: 2,50 % (265 trades, 97,73 % wins, 2,27 % loses)
   BTC_ZEC: 2,84 % (282 trades, 94,33 % wins, 5,67 % loses)
   BTC_STRAT: 4,00 % (314 trades, 95,54 % wins, 4,46 % loses)
   BTC_NXC: 3,16 % (325 trades, 97,53 % wins, 2,47 % loses)
   BTC_PASC: 4,35 % (350 trades, 95,43 % wins, 4,57 % loses)
   BTC_GNT: 4,97 % (327 trades, 95,09 % wins, 4,91 % loses)
Neutral (0/67):
Losers (0/67):

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Markets: 67
Start balance: 1,00000000
Final balance: 3,97084916
Compound gross returns: 3,45027767 BTC (Avg: 0,05149668 BTC)
Compound gross returns: 345,03 % (Avg: 5,15 %)
Compound net returns: 2,97084916 BTC (Avg: 0,04434103 BTC)
Compound net returns: 297,08 % (Avg: 4,43 %)


As for the previous test's compound results for convenience:

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Markets: 67
Start balance: 1,00000000
Final balance: 4,19618184
Compound gross returns: 3,48620284 BTC (Avg: 0,05203288 BTC)
Compound gross returns: 348,62 % (Avg: 5,20 %)
Compound net returns: 3,19618184 BTC (Avg: 0,04770421 BTC)
Compound net returns: 319,62 % (Avg: 4,77 %)


(Not much difference)


EDIT:
I even changed the trade amounts now, so they are affected by the fees too (when buying 10 coins, you'd only get 10 - (10 * 0.0025) = 9.975 coins), and I have the same fees included as mentioned in above calculations, which means I should now have triple-fees. Results:

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Winners (67/67):
   BTC_BBR: 4,50 % (325 trades, 95,68 % wins, 4,32 % loses)
   BTC_BELA: 4,29 % (363 trades, 94,48 % wins, 5,52 % loses)
   BTC_BITS: 5,72 % (253 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_BLK: 2,24 % (284 trades, 98,59 % wins, 1,41 % loses)
   BTC_BTCD: 4,29 % (238 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_BTM: 5,58 % (312 trades, 97,44 % wins, 2,56 % loses)
   BTC_C2: 6,42 % (282 trades, 97,87 % wins, 2,13 % loses)
   BTC_CLAM: 3,41 % (360 trades, 91,67 % wins, 8,33 % loses)
   BTC_CURE: 2,46 % (241 trades, 97,50 % wins, 2,50 % loses)
   BTC_DASH: 3,71 % (291 trades, 96,55 % wins, 3,45 % loses)
   BTC_EMC2: 5,47 % (303 trades, 98,68 % wins, 1,32 % loses)
   BTC_FLO: 2,94 % (286 trades, 98,60 % wins, 1,40 % loses)
   BTC_GAME: 2,73 % (297 trades, 97,30 % wins, 2,70 % loses)
   BTC_GRC: 4,15 % (256 trades, 96,88 % wins, 3,13 % loses)
   BTC_HUC: 4,84 % (277 trades, 97,10 % wins, 2,90 % loses)
   BTC_LTC: 1,54 % (294 trades, 93,88 % wins, 6,12 % loses)
   BTC_MAID: 1,97 % (341 trades, 97,65 % wins, 2,35 % loses)
   BTC_OMNI: 5,69 % (205 trades, 97,06 % wins, 2,94 % loses)
   BTC_NAUT: 4,25 % (297 trades, 95,27 % wins, 4,73 % loses)
   BTC_NAV: 5,38 % (281 trades, 97,14 % wins, 2,86 % loses)
   BTC_NEOS: 4,21 % (283 trades, 94,33 % wins, 5,67 % loses)
   BTC_NMC: 5,52 % (319 trades, 97,48 % wins, 2,52 % loses)
   BTC_NOTE: 5,97 % (311 trades, 97,42 % wins, 2,58 % loses)
   BTC_NXT: 2,43 % (272 trades, 98,53 % wins, 1,47 % loses)
   BTC_POT: 2,92 % (295 trades, 97,28 % wins, 2,72 % loses)
   BTC_PPC: 3,41 % (305 trades, 97,37 % wins, 2,63 % loses)
   BTC_QBK: 3,00 % (154 trades, 96,10 % wins, 3,90 % loses)
   BTC_QTL: 3,12 % (268 trades, 99,25 % wins, 0,75 % loses)
   BTC_RBY: 1,34 % (217 trades, 91,67 % wins, 8,33 % loses)
   BTC_RIC: 3,22 % (319 trades, 96,23 % wins, 3,77 % loses)
   BTC_SDC: 5,91 % (306 trades, 96,73 % wins, 3,27 % loses)
   BTC_SJCX: 3,38 % (297 trades, 98,65 % wins, 1,35 % loses)
   BTC_STR: 2,36 % (327 trades, 98,16 % wins, 1,84 % loses)
   BTC_SYS: 3,16 % (295 trades, 97,28 % wins, 2,72 % loses)
   BTC_UNITY: 3,92 % (176 trades, 96,59 % wins, 3,41 % loses)
   BTC_VIA: 4,83 % (243 trades, 99,17 % wins, 0,83 % loses)
   BTC_XVC: 4,48 % (274 trades, 96,35 % wins, 3,65 % loses)
   BTC_VRC: 3,07 % (247 trades, 97,56 % wins, 2,44 % loses)
   BTC_VTC: 3,55 % (280 trades, 96,43 % wins, 3,57 % loses)
   BTC_XBC: 26,42 % (202 trades, 97,03 % wins, 2,97 % loses)
   BTC_XCP: 2,95 % (299 trades, 98,66 % wins, 1,34 % loses)
   BTC_XEM: 2,72 % (273 trades, 97,79 % wins, 2,21 % loses)
   BTC_XMG: 3,74 % (228 trades, 96,49 % wins, 3,51 % loses)
   BTC_XMR: 2,40 % (295 trades, 97,28 % wins, 2,72 % loses)
   BTC_XPM: 3,82 % (282 trades, 96,45 % wins, 3,55 % loses)
   BTC_XRP: 2,13 % (269 trades, 98,51 % wins, 1,49 % loses)
   BTC_IOC: 2,28 % (241 trades, 98,33 % wins, 1,67 % loses)
   BTC_ETH: 2,13 % (253 trades, 99,21 % wins, 0,79 % loses)
   BTC_BCY: 3,72 % (239 trades, 99,16 % wins, 0,84 % loses)
   BTC_EXP: 3,85 % (272 trades, 97,79 % wins, 2,21 % loses)
   BTC_FCT: 2,96 % (327 trades, 98,16 % wins, 1,84 % loses)
   BTC_RADS: 5,05 % (267 trades, 96,24 % wins, 3,76 % loses)
   BTC_AMP: 3,95 % (307 trades, 96,73 % wins, 3,27 % loses)
   BTC_VOX: 4,98 % (292 trades, 97,26 % wins, 2,74 % loses)
   BTC_DCR: 6,32 % (284 trades, 97,18 % wins, 2,82 % loses)
   BTC_LSK: 4,71 % (275 trades, 97,81 % wins, 2,19 % loses)
   BTC_LBC: 4,57 % (302 trades, 94,04 % wins, 5,96 % loses)
   BTC_STEEM: 4,90 % (331 trades, 96,36 % wins, 3,64 % loses)
   BTC_SBD: 6,89 % (303 trades, 97,35 % wins, 2,65 % loses)
   BTC_ETC: 1,78 % (301 trades, 99,33 % wins, 0,67 % loses)
   BTC_REP: 2,72 % (309 trades, 94,16 % wins, 5,84 % loses)
   BTC_ARDR: 2,16 % (265 trades, 97,73 % wins, 2,27 % loses)
   BTC_ZEC: 2,48 % (282 trades, 94,33 % wins, 5,67 % loses)
   BTC_STRAT: 3,60 % (314 trades, 95,54 % wins, 4,46 % loses)
   BTC_NXC: 2,74 % (325 trades, 97,53 % wins, 2,47 % loses)
   BTC_PASC: 3,90 % (350 trades, 95,43 % wins, 4,57 % loses)
   BTC_GNT: 4,55 % (327 trades, 95,09 % wins, 4,91 % loses)
Neutral (0/67):
Losers (0/67):

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Markets: 67
Start balance: 1,00000000
Final balance: 3,75795492
Compound gross returns: 3,24070951 BTC (Avg: 0,04836880 BTC)
Compound gross returns: 324,07 % (Avg: 4,84 %)
Compound net returns: 2,75795492 BTC (Avg: 0,04116351 BTC)
Compound net returns: 275,80 % (Avg: 4,12 %)


So, unless I'm using completely different data (my data is compiled from Trade History to Minute Ticks from Poloniex), I suspect that there's something wrong in HTS's way of calculating fees and returns, or even in the whole trading/indicator system. :/
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Re: pshai's "Swing Hawk" strategy

Postby pshai » Wed Apr 05, 2017 6:01 pm

New tests for the last 5 weeks!

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Winners (67/67):
   BTC_BBR: 4,15 % (301 trades, 97,33 % wins, 2,67 % loses)
   BTC_BELA: 4,23 % (321 trades, 94,38 % wins, 5,63 % loses)
   BTC_BITS: 7,81 % (220 trades, 99,09 % wins, 0,91 % loses)
   BTC_BLK: 3,05 % (209 trades, 98,08 % wins, 1,92 % loses)
   BTC_BTCD: 2,44 % (212 trades, 96,23 % wins, 3,77 % loses)
   BTC_BTM: 4,94 % (269 trades, 97,01 % wins, 2,99 % loses)
   BTC_C2: 5,04 % (273 trades, 97,79 % wins, 2,21 % loses)
   BTC_CLAM: 3,36 % (323 trades, 93,17 % wins, 6,83 % loses)
   BTC_CURE: 2,95 % (215 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_DASH: 3,76 % (239 trades, 98,32 % wins, 1,68 % loses)
   BTC_EMC2: 4,94 % (286 trades, 95,80 % wins, 4,20 % loses)
   BTC_FLO: 3,16 % (275 trades, 99,27 % wins, 0,73 % loses)
   BTC_GAME: 2,53 % (273 trades, 94,12 % wins, 5,88 % loses)
   BTC_GRC: 4,64 % (243 trades, 98,35 % wins, 1,65 % loses)
   BTC_HUC: 5,57 % (248 trades, 94,35 % wins, 5,65 % loses)
   BTC_LTC: 2,13 % (237 trades, 94,92 % wins, 5,08 % loses)
   BTC_MAID: 2,07 % (316 trades, 98,73 % wins, 1,27 % loses)
   BTC_OMNI: 4,52 % (189 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_NAUT: 3,93 % (265 trades, 96,21 % wins, 3,79 % loses)
   BTC_NAV: 4,78 % (267 trades, 94,74 % wins, 5,26 % loses)
   BTC_NEOS: 4,39 % (273 trades, 94,85 % wins, 5,15 % loses)
   BTC_NMC: 5,13 % (253 trades, 97,62 % wins, 2,38 % loses)
   BTC_NOTE: 5,32 % (304 trades, 96,05 % wins, 3,95 % loses)
   BTC_NXT: 3,29 % (255 trades, 96,85 % wins, 3,15 % loses)
   BTC_POT: 2,85 % (255 trades, 98,43 % wins, 1,57 % loses)
   BTC_PPC: 3,07 % (241 trades, 96,67 % wins, 3,33 % loses)
   BTC_QBK: 3,73 % (145 trades, 94,44 % wins, 5,56 % loses)
   BTC_QTL: 3,70 % (240 trades, 97,50 % wins, 2,50 % loses)
   BTC_RBY: 1,57 % (214 trades, 95,33 % wins, 4,67 % loses)
   BTC_RIC: 3,60 % (307 trades, 97,39 % wins, 2,61 % loses)
   BTC_SDC: 5,28 % (252 trades, 96,83 % wins, 3,17 % loses)
   BTC_SJCX: 2,63 % (263 trades, 96,95 % wins, 3,05 % loses)
   BTC_STR: 2,99 % (293 trades, 98,63 % wins, 1,37 % loses)
   BTC_SYS: 2,34 % (282 trades, 100,00 % wins, 0,00 % loses)
   BTC_UNITY: 4,92 % (158 trades, 98,73 % wins, 1,27 % loses)
   BTC_VIA: 4,43 % (237 trades, 96,61 % wins, 3,39 % loses)
   BTC_XVC: 4,21 % (276 trades, 99,28 % wins, 0,72 % loses)
   BTC_VRC: 3,51 % (201 trades, 97,00 % wins, 3,00 % loses)
   BTC_VTC: 3,77 % (258 trades, 96,12 % wins, 3,88 % loses)
   BTC_XBC: 18,03 % (196 trades, 96,94 % wins, 3,06 % loses)
   BTC_XCP: 3,13 % (221 trades, 97,27 % wins, 2,73 % loses)
   BTC_XEM: 2,99 % (219 trades, 97,25 % wins, 2,75 % loses)
   BTC_XMG: 3,47 % (208 trades, 96,15 % wins, 3,85 % loses)
   BTC_XMR: 2,11 % (221 trades, 98,18 % wins, 1,82 % loses)
   BTC_XPM: 4,95 % (275 trades, 97,81 % wins, 2,19 % loses)
   BTC_XRP: 5,24 % (275 trades, 97,81 % wins, 2,19 % loses)
   BTC_IOC: 2,25 % (247 trades, 96,75 % wins, 3,25 % loses)
   BTC_ETH: 3,04 % (240 trades, 96,67 % wins, 3,33 % loses)
   BTC_BCY: 2,85 % (220 trades, 97,27 % wins, 2,73 % loses)
   BTC_EXP: 3,52 % (240 trades, 96,67 % wins, 3,33 % loses)
   BTC_FCT: 2,38 % (294 trades, 95,92 % wins, 4,08 % loses)
   BTC_RADS: 5,04 % (260 trades, 98,46 % wins, 1,54 % loses)
   BTC_AMP: 3,47 % (242 trades, 93,39 % wins, 6,61 % loses)
   BTC_VOX: 4,89 % (240 trades, 96,67 % wins, 3,33 % loses)
   BTC_DCR: 5,88 % (262 trades, 98,47 % wins, 1,53 % loses)
   BTC_LSK: 3,92 % (274 trades, 98,54 % wins, 1,46 % loses)
   BTC_LBC: 4,50 % (285 trades, 92,25 % wins, 7,75 % loses)
   BTC_STEEM: 4,82 % (286 trades, 95,10 % wins, 4,90 % loses)
   BTC_SBD: 4,09 % (278 trades, 95,68 % wins, 4,32 % loses)
   BTC_ETC: 2,07 % (239 trades, 96,64 % wins, 3,36 % loses)
   BTC_REP: 3,07 % (249 trades, 94,35 % wins, 5,65 % loses)
   BTC_ARDR: 2,30 % (271 trades, 94,81 % wins, 5,19 % loses)
   BTC_ZEC: 2,51 % (222 trades, 95,50 % wins, 4,50 % loses)
   BTC_STRAT: 4,42 % (289 trades, 95,83 % wins, 4,17 % loses)
   BTC_NXC: 2,79 % (301 trades, 97,33 % wins, 2,67 % loses)
   BTC_PASC: 4,35 % (310 trades, 90,32 % wins, 9,68 % loses)
   BTC_GNT: 4,21 % (294 trades, 95,24 % wins, 4,76 % loses)
Neutral (0/67):
Losers (0/67):

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Markets: 67
Start balance: 1,00000000
Final balance: 3,67073356
Compound gross returns: 3,10457863 BTC (Avg: 0,04633699 BTC)
Compound gross returns: 310,46 % (Avg: 4,63 %)
Compound net returns: 2,67073356 BTC (Avg: 0,03986169 BTC)
Compound net returns: 267,07 % (Avg: 3,99 %)



More results in-depth and market specific in below link.
- The ZIP contains information-packed TEXT file and market specific trades in CSV files for Microsoft Office Excel/OpenOffice Calc:
Results_5_4_2017.zip
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EDIT: Also I might've noticed why the results differ with HTS and my system: my system gets candles from the start to end dates, but also what the indicators required BEFORE the start date. So the first trade to ever happen, will always be the exact starting date and time. As of HTS, it seems that it does the test for the time you set for it, but it only starts to trade when it has moved the indicator required amount forward...

But I still don't understand how the results differ so much, even if this was the case - because for me, it doesn't matter where I start my tests, the results will still be quite the same (maybe the first trade will shift, but that's not gonna shift the whole system).
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